Lex Anteinternet: Supporting Immorality in War is Immoral.

Lex Anteinternet: Supporting Immorality in War is Immoral.: Gun camera footage from a P-51 strafing Japanese civilian fishermen during World War Two, a gravely immoral act.  We've conveniently for...

Supporting Immorality in War is Immoral.

Gun camera footage from a P-51 strafing Japanese civilian fishermen during World War Two, a gravely immoral act.  We've conveniently forgotten how much of this sort of thing happened during World War Two, but a lot did.  Allied fighters routinely strafed German farmers during  the war, and I have heard of one account of an Italian farmer being killed by being strafed.  This isn't warfare, it's flat out murder.*

 

III. SAFEGUARDING PEACE

Avoiding war

2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

• the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
• all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
• there must be serious prospects of success;
• the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.

Section 2309, Catechism of the Catholic Church. 

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; . . . 

The American war against Iran is not a just war.  It's not a legal one, either.

Iran is a world sponsor of terrorism that has sponsored terroristic acts for decades.  Most of those acts of terror were against other sovereign states, not the US, but some can logically be argued to be directed at the us.  That's almost certainly not what the war is about.

Much more likely, Trump is a pathetic doddering senile fool who has spent a life of utter pointlessness.  His wealth is inherited and founded originally on a grandfather who engaged in providing prostitutes to Alaska miners, a gravely evil act.  His father did nothing like that, but the family wealth was used to build more wealth, and Trump in his adult years, after not serving his country (a family tradition to some extent) went on to make and lose fortunes doing that.

Real estate development is, from an agrarian and distributism prospective like that I maintain, a fairly dubious occupation in and of itself.  Not clearly immoral, but frankly I have real trouble with some of it.  Be that as it may, I particularly have trouble with the sort of behavior that Trump exhibited in that questionable occupation.  I wouldn't admire the Wharton graduate for that reason alone.  But the way he has spent his wealth is abominable.  He's a serial polygamist and its getting very difficult to say "there's no evidence" that he didn't sexually fish in the shallow end of the pond.

There's more credible evidence that he's a kiddy diddler, which I'm not affirmatively saying there is, than that he's a Christian.  There's not one single outwardly Christian act that I can think of that he's committed.  What he is, is a shallow opportunist, and he's used desperate Christians to advance his career.  

Knowing that the grave is looming up on him, and with his mind slipping away from him at a rapid rate, Trump has spent much of his second, illegitimate, occupation of the White House trying to build monuments to himself.  He wants a ball room as he's a rich product of the 60s and 70s when things like that mattered to somebody.  They don't anymore, and it'll either never be built, or ripped down.  He wants a triumphal arch, which is simply absurd.

And he wants to be remembered as a great hero, adding to the US landmass, or at least defeating a supposed major enemy.

Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a scary man in his own right, but not a demented fool, saw that he could play the demented fool in the White House.  Netanyahu, like Michael Corleone in The Godfather, sees the Trump dotage as a time to "address all family business".  Seeing a dolt he could play, like Putin has, he's coaxed Trump into a war for Israel's own purposes.  This is, the way Netanyahu sees it, Israel's last best hope to destroy the radical Islamist regime in Tehran.  Israel can't do it on its own, and no future US administration will support doing it.  Israel is not held in that high of regard in much of the world for a variety of reasons, and never has been.  Nobody else is going to play the willing muscled fool for Netanyahu.  If Netanyahu is Corleone, Trump is Luca Brasi, a brutish dolt who is willing to act as an enforcer.

Trump entered this war thinking it would be a two or three day exercise.  He'd bomb Iran and the Iranian people would give up.  Or, maybe, Iranians theocrats would act like American property owners and cut him a deal.  Well, say what you like about Shiite theocrats, but they're a lot less shallow than American businessmen.  They hold to an existential, and unlike Trump it's not all about money and women.  

Oh oh.

So they didn't give up and they aren't going to give up.  They've fought back by striking economic targets and U.S. military installations around the Middle East (and now as far away as Diego Garcia).  And they've closed the Straits of Hormuz.

By closing the Straits, they've also demonstrated that the US is, in fact, not as powerful as it pretends it is.  We can't open them and we've been begging for help.  Nobody else is willing to get into an endless war for Israel, and therefore that help isn't coming.  In order to open them we will have to engage in a ground invasion.

Trump is trying desperately to avoid that, for a variety of reasons.  One thing is that he's probably been told it will be a bloody mess.  Body bags will be coming home to "Red" cities all around the country.  People already don't support the war and they definitely will not when Johnny or Mary come home to be buried in Riverton Wyoming, or Billings Montana, having died for Bibi Netanyahu.  

And then there's this:

There's not going to be a draft, but the satiric suggestions that he serve are not wholly ingenuine.  Right now, the US is getting into one war after another.  Franklin Roosevelt's children served, so did TR's. Why not Trump's?

Because Trumps don't serve the country, they take from it. That's why.

In his desperation to end the war, Trump is now threatening to bomb Iranian power facilities if they do not open the Straits of Hormuz.  He broadcast this on social media, which is idiotic  It also won't work.  The Allied bombing campaigns against Germany did not work in World War Two.  They didn't work, save for the Atomic bomb, against Japan, either.  Nor did they work against North Vietnam.  They won't work here.  Instead, civilians will be killed and whatever support for a new regime replacing this one in Iran exists, will evaporate.

What Trump is doing is criminal. The US is killing people for. . . what?

The whole war is criminal from the first place, from a US prospective.  We're using military force to kill people with no declaration of war.  And now we propose to engage in a tit for tat campaign of economic retribution against them as we can't beat them.  We haven't been able to articulate a single reason for the war, other than Iran cannot be allowed to have the same thing that Israel, the United States, France, Russia, North Korea, the United Kingdom, Indian, Pakistan, and South Africa have. . . an atomic bomb.

There is some logic to that, of course.  An Iran with an atomic bomb would be scary, just like North Korea with an atomic bomb is scary.  But given our ill thought out military adventure here, we are actually making this situation worse.  North Korea, it might be noted, is improving missile capabilities, and why wouldn't they.  If North Korea has not determined an absolute need to be able to hit the continental United States due to Donald Trump, it'd be amazing.  And if Iran, which has its nuclear material yet, has not concluded that it has an absolute need to complete a nuclear project, that would be amazing.

But it's clear that Trump never thought this out.  He went, we're told, with his gut, which is nearly always wrong.

So, here we are in this long winded thread.

And here's to the point.  Supporting immorality, is immoral.  Everyone engages in "remote cooperation with evil", which you can not do much about.  Using illegal drugs is illegal, but paying the pizza guy when you know he's going to use some of that cash for illegal drugs isn't.

Here, we now have an interesting situation.

We are in an illegal war and doing immoral acts.  The Republicans in Washington are mostly sitting around on their ass doing nothing about it. They're afraid.  They're not paid nor elected to be afriad.

And all over the country the MAGA element of the GOP just lies down like the 13 year old girls at Epstein Island and gives into whatever Trump wants.

It's immoral.

For years and years Christians, particularly those of my faith, voted for Republicans in spite of reluctance because we opposed abortion and the Democratic Party supported it.  Even as late as the last election I heard Catholics with severe doubts about Trump say they were voting for him for that reason.

Abortion is a grave moral evil.  Engaging in an illegal war and targeting civilian targets is a grave moral evil.

I'm not saying vote for the Democrats without thinking, but I am saying that supporting this Administration and the Republican Party at this point is supporting moral evil.  When John Barrasso and Harriet Hageman come around backing the war, they're backing a moral evil.  When Chuck Gray declares his undying love for Trump and promises to be the most loyal of his political concubines, he's expressing a love of a moral evil.

Most Germans during the Nazi era did nothing.  Most Republicans aren't going to either.  In future years, they'll be looked at with utter disgust.

Christians believe that they'll have to account for their sins in the next world.  I very much doubt that bothers Donald  Trump as he's stupid and ignorant, which is sort of a defense, and I very much question if he has any belief in God at all.  For that matter, while I have only the incidents to raise the question, I doubt the beliefs of many in Congress who claim they have one.  For those of us who do believe, and frankly a person who doesn't has simply blinded themselves to reality, it's all too easy to believe that our self interest must be moral.  Protestant churches have, for instance, by and large completely given up on being concerned about sexual morality for the most part.

God will not be mocked.  Christians who declare Trump to be a "Godly Man" are willfully blinding themselves or outright lying.  None of us are around here all that long.  The "why did you support the murder of my children" question is coming up, and the "well, I supported Trump", or "well, the Iranians were baddies", or "well, the Iranians were Muslims" line is not likely to be a sufficient excuse for being complicit in murder.

Footnotes

*This may seem like a strange point to start in this thread, but wars routinely devolve, even when they fit the just war criteria, into flat out murder and the US has not been exempt from this.  Arguably the cleanest war the US ever fought was World War One, with the Korean War being relatively clean.  World War Two may be recalled as a uniformly just war, but the bombing campaigns against urban Japan and the use of nuclear weapons was outright not.  And the tolerance of what is depicted above, which was very widespread, was not.

Lex Anteinternet: The end of the American Century and planning for what comes next.

Lex Anteinternet: The end of the American Century and planning for w...: Donald Trump is systematically accelerating American decline making what might have happened over a two or more decades, had the existing tr...

The end of the American Century and planning for what comes next.

Donald Trump is systematically accelerating American decline making what might have happened over a two or more decades, had the existing trends remained and the U.S. not corrected itself, take place over a matter of months.

By the end of the Trump presidency, even if that end happens this year with him being taken out of the White House in a straight jacket, the US will not be the world's dominant economic power.  China will be, followed by the European Union.  The US will not be the leader of the free world, that's already ceased to be the case.  The EU is.  The US won't even be the moral leader of North America.  Canada is.

And thanks to the war with Iran, the US is rapidly ceasing to be the military power it once was.  Traditionally declining global powers lose that status last, and I suppose that's what's happening to us, but in a matter of months rather than decades, as is the norm.  We are, right now, losing a war with a third rate power and we don't even know why we are fighting it, other than that Bibi Netanyahu wanted it fought while he had somebody he could coax in the White House.  Right now, nations that looked to us since 1939 for help are quitting that, or have quit.  Maybe only a few remain in the Pacific, but that will end within a matter of months.

Had Trump not pushed this all into high gear, it might have happened over a long period of time anyhow.  The US hasn't been in control of its budget for decades and that was going to cause this to occur no matter what.  We might have been able to arrest that with a major effort, but that would have required most of the current members of Congress to get new jobs.  Now, however, things are so accelerated much of this is just going to happen all on its own.

Americans had better get used to it quickly and, for that matter, they'd better start planning for a post Trump world where we dance to the tune called by others, not to the one we called.  

While we can lament this in many ways, not all of it will be bad.  We will have to start rebuilding coalitions, but we're going to have to accept that we'll be regarded as a junior, and stupid, member of them.  We deserve that.  We're going to start building green energy and the like as people are going to tell us to and we're going to like it.  People like Chuck Gray who run around screaming "not on my watch" will be looking at green power in California by the end of 2027.  

We're going to have to look at reforming our tax and economic structure.  A lot of the giant moneybucks people like Musk will be leaving anyhow.  They love money, not the country, and the money will be leaving.  We're going to have to pay for what we buying, and what the Baby Boomer and their parents bought, in terms of a government.  Foreign countries are going to give us no choice.  We're not going to be the world's banker within the next two years.

People who worried about "forever wars" and the like, after the war against Iran is over, won't have to so much anymore.  They'll get what they wanted, just not the way they wanted it.  We'll crawl back to our alliances, but we'll be a comparative minor member in many ways.  As we can't pay for the huge military we have, we likely won't have it.  I'll look at that in another post.

Nothing lasts forever and you don't appreciate the good things, in many cases, while you have them.  Trump hasn't done the United States one single favor in either of his administrations.  He'll go down in history as the worst President in American history.  His legacy will be the acceleration of the end of the American Century.

Lex Anteinternet: In the event of conscription (and Trumpite insiders say the demented octogenarian is considering it) conscript ICE first, and then deploy them.

Lex Anteinternet: In the event of conscription (and Trumpite insider...: Chuck, Reid, John. . . history awaits. There's precedent for it. When Woodrow Wilson, after campaigning on keeping us out of war, commit...

In the event of conscription (and Trumpite insiders say the demented octogenarian is considering it) conscript ICE first, and then deploy them.

Chuck, Reid, John. . . history awaits.

There's precedent for it.

When Woodrow Wilson, after campaigning on keeping us out of war, committed us to the greatest one in the world's history at that time since the Napoleonic Wars, he was faced with the problem that his pacificist Attorney General was of the view that National Guardsmen could be Federalized only to spats within the United States.  That's what kept them on the border, but not over it, during the Punitive Expedition.

But somebody came up with the brilliant idea that as the U.S. was introducing conscription, the entire Guard could just be conscripted. . . so it was, on August 5, 1917, specifically.

ICE already acts like an occupying military force, and it dresses like one.  It's familiar with weapons, as we all know.  If troops are needed for boots on the ground, draft them en masse. 

I'm not joking.  Those who signed up for ICE had to be comfortable with MAGA extremism.  Let them go fight for MAGA.  Draft them into the Army, and if boots are going in, send them.

I'll note I've seen a similar idea posted elsewhere:

Draft MAGA First for Trump’s war!

Go fight for their Trump!

I feel the same way here.  I'm tired of the rah rah MAGAs who are were against war until Trump was for it, and support anything that Trump supports.  Over half of the American public feels Donald Trump is a demented twat waffle.  Let those who admire him go fight and if necessary die for their beloved.  They portray Trump as a hero. . . well here's there very own chance to be one themselves.

Let the Trumps go first.  Barron is of military age and, based on the life history of his family, is more likely to be a boil on the butt of humanity than something benefitting it. Service would do him, and his two brothers, and heck his sisters good.  Maybe the Trump family will pull itself out of the world it lives in and inflicts on the rest of us if they see a little of the rest of it that isn't so rich and gaudy.

Let them go fight, and if necessary die, in their father's war.

And the same for Wyoming mega MAGA Trumpites.  Chuck Gray is still young enough to serve and hasn't had a real job a day in his life.  He's not married and doesn't have any dependents either.  Here's his chance.  He can come back a veteran, maybe a hero, or, if in a body bag, well, there won't be a widow or orphan. Reid Rasner already has the crewcut, and he's single too.  Let him go put his life on the line for Donald.  He talks might big, let him put his mouth, and his body, where his words are.   Yes, there's risk involved, but if that risk isn't accepted, well the words were just that.

Chuck and Reid, a recruiting station is a near as the mall.

And then there's all the "I'm a veteran" candidates out there who on the far right in Wyoming.  Well, if there's one thing being a veteran qualifies you for its military service.  Brent Bien.  . . your chance to show us your mettle once again awaits. . . 

Shoot, let non veteran John Barrasso go.  Heck, make him go.  He's been practicing the Patton "war face" for years.  Yes, he's a geezer, but I'm confident if he asked Donny, Donny would let him go and shortly forget who he was. 

Most Americans didn't want this war.  Most Americans shouldn't have to fight in it.  Perhaps only those who are willing to volunteer for it within the service right now should have to.  We let servicemen with moronic objections to vaccinations out of the service during the Biden Administration.  We should let those who have no desire to fight and die for whatever we're fighting and dying for now get out, if they don't want to serve. Their ranks can be filled by MAGA, ICE, and Trumps.

But it won't happen.

ICE will simply carry on as it is, until 2027.  MAGAs will continue to support any dumbass thing Trump spews out of his decaying brain.  People who have connections with Epstein Island will go on doing what they do.

And if we're still in it by fall and its turning to shit, well 9 out of the 10 "Trump was always right" crowed will deny they ever saw anything in him.  They knew, they'll claim, he was a fraud all along.

Only the dead, Santayana tells us, have seen an end to war.  It's a pretty good guess that no Trumps and no fire breathing MAGA politicians are going to see war at all.  They're okay with Trumps war, but not so much that they'll ever seek out to fight in it.

Not that this is a surprise.  Trump has always felt that servicemen are schmucks.  He's loyal to no one other than himself, and perhaps to those who have something over him.  The dead, well, you know, that just happens.